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Post by Pollux on Sept 18, 2012 19:51:04 GMT -5
Posting this since there are a few people joining me in my spoiled haven.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 18, 2012 19:56:50 GMT -5
I'd also like to say for all those that come into here later, not knowing how the whole Pleo thing is going to turn out, that the Anti-Lurker was a role basically designed as easy to recruit to the Town side. I also gave it the easiest win condition in the game should it not be recruited (although it's one of two recruitable third-parties that die if they refuse recruitment.)
And as far as I'm concerned, the Anti-Lurker's win condition is completely acceptable because the Anti-Lurker SHOULD be posting enough to stay out of lurking so they have more options to investigate in the first place, and giving the role an incentive to post a little more to win seems right in line with the powers.
Personally, I think the players are more Gastardly to themselves than the person running the game could ever be to them.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 19, 2012 16:50:38 GMT -5
Another thing I'd like to say here. All the people accusing mahaloth just have to go to the rules thread (does anybody read the rules nowadays?) in which I stated clearly that all recruitment is voluntary and all possible recruitments will have a choice. That's the only reason choice was in his PM.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 19, 2012 20:46:58 GMT -5
Last thing.
I wrecked myself trying to come up with a proper balance for this game. But you can never take into account how players will play the role they get.
Pleonast and mahaloth are both playing the gimme third party->town roles probably thinking that there is a lot of town to help them. Hopefully this disabuses the notion of claiming immediately, but at the same time it'll disabuse the notion of crucifying people for early claims as well.
At least one person should be putting together by now that if there IS a role like mahaloth's in the game, the number of starting Town may be quite low. Red Skeezix's gonna find that out through his investigation at Dusk, at least.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 20, 2012 9:31:26 GMT -5
Umm, wow, Pollux you have done quite the job on those roles.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 20, 2012 15:46:24 GMT -5
I hope that's a good thing. ;D
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Post by Pollux on Sept 24, 2012 15:40:05 GMT -5
Well, Town is starting off in a rut. They lynch the one-shot unblockable killer that's recruitable, and now it looks like scum might kill off the Vigilante/Backup Recruiter.
At least they're gaining Pleonast, though, but he's planning to continue to pretend to be third-party which may hurt them in the long run.
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Post by catinasuit on Sept 25, 2012 4:59:26 GMT -5
Why do people always go out of there way to disbelieve role PMs like that. Did I miss a game somewhere?
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Post by Pollux on Sept 25, 2012 13:52:06 GMT -5
Honestly? Not that I'm aware of. For some reason there's an inherent distrust about third-party claims, especially when it has to do with recruitment. I can understand it when the player's claiming under pressure, but a voluntary claim? It doesn't make sense to me.
Most of the worst Gastardity goes on in player's minds, not what I put into the game.
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Post by mahaloth on Sept 26, 2012 20:39:59 GMT -5
Why do people always go out of there way to disbelieve role PMs like that. Did I miss a game somewhere? I have no idea; I did not expect to be lynched or disbelieved.
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Post by Pollux on Sept 26, 2012 22:44:54 GMT -5
I don't really understand Colby's behavior. He attempts to recruit Pleonast and then doesn't believe him and is voting for him the next Day. I don't know if it's a ploy for him to not look like the recruiter or what, but...
I mean, I didn't give him confirmation that he was successful because I feel like giving the recruiter confirmation every recruit is successful/failing would be somewhat gamebreaking. At the same time, continuously going after somebody you have a chance at recruiting vs. the other 25 players in the game? Strikes me as lazy.
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Post by mahaloth on Oct 1, 2012 9:48:44 GMT -5
How bad was my idea to claim? I thought it was a reasonable decision, though definitely a gamble. I did not expect that role to get my lynched, for sure.
I do see that telling everyone I'd use the NK immediately was foolish.
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Post by Pollux on Oct 1, 2012 18:27:45 GMT -5
I think the idea that "Gastard" is in the title was much more of a factor in your lynch than anything you actually said. People's paranoia over recruitment and specific wording in PMs was something you couldn't account for. That being said, the fact that there weren't that many town to begin with put you in a position that anybody who is playing a "as long as it isn't me" game (which is a lot of the third-party players) saw you as a viable lynch candidate.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 13:04:33 GMT -5
I voted for Mahaloth because the role seemed implausible as stated. Why would a player not choose to meet a requirement for their victory? Because there was no plausible reason to refuse the recruitment, I assumed that something must've been omitted from the posted role pm.
I consider the role to be gastard in that respect. While it doesn't violate any published rules, it's rather odd to be given a choice when any reasonable player would pick only one of the options.
(The built-in non-choice is different than the imposed non-choice given to me, since one can expect other players to take actions against you.)
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Post by guiri on Oct 2, 2012 13:32:43 GMT -5
8 effin votes? Between 27 players we can't build a bandwagon of 8 effin votes, when we have 2 votes each? How's is bidding 8 votes crazy?
There's a lot of information to digest. Did Richbeckman submit the order to kill before or after I was forced to claim?
Pleo, sorry, pity you didn't update your claim.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 13:39:46 GMT -5
Claiming I was recruited to town would not have increased my credibility. They were convinced I was lying, period. Claiming recruitment would, however, have increased my threat to scum.
If my recruiter had revealed that they had attempted to recruit me, I would have confirmed I was. In that case, we'd have something more useful, since an unprompted claim to have recruited someone and a confirmation that it occurred is good evidence that both players are town. Not mason-certain, but still useful.
I'm baffled by colby recruiting me and then voting to lynch me. Way to hamstring your own power.
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Post by mahaloth on Oct 2, 2012 13:40:50 GMT -5
I voted for Mahaloth because the role seemed implausible as stated. Why would a player not choose to meet a requirement for their victory? Because there was no plausible reason to refuse the recruitment, I assumed that something must've been omitted from the posted role pm. I consider the role to be gastard in that respect. While it doesn't violate any published rules, it's rather odd to be given a choice when any reasonable player would pick only one of the options. (The built-in non-choice is different than the imposed non-choice given to me, since one can expect other players to take actions against you.) Basically my thoughts as well and I was not surprised of your doubt(and others) of the role.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 13:48:07 GMT -5
I'm baffled by colby recruiting me and then voting to lynch me. Way to hamstring your own power. Actually, it's worse than that. Why did they not at least reveal to town, "I tried to recruit Pleo to town, I don't know the result"? That's an important piece of information. I suppose they might think their survival is more important than helping their recruits, but a mislynch when town is low on numbers is bad.
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Post by Pollux on Oct 2, 2012 13:49:00 GMT -5
Rich sent in the order after you full claimed, guiri.
As for mahaloth's role, I probably could have worded it better. Arthur Dent and Diddy Kong were the last two roles I came up with, and I flip-flopped back and forth between which one to start as Third-Party and which one as Town, and eventually settled on Arthur because the towel thing came naturally while I couldn't come up with a proper win condition for Diddy Kong. I got a little too hooked on giving the player a choice than I needed to when I wrote the PM, though.
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Post by Pleonast on Oct 2, 2012 13:55:11 GMT -5
I see Suburban picked up my little breadcrumb about possibly being town. I didn't plan on being recruited, but I hoped someone would pick up on that possibility.
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